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Aug 31, 2021

Ep 164: Secrets of the Master Debaters


Everyone knows we’re “more divided than ever,” and everyone’s arguing these days, but nobody seems to be GOOD at it. We all seem to suck at convincing people that we’re right. Well, except for Neal Katyal, former acting Solicitor General, who’s here to instruct us on the lost art of persuasion. And speaking of persuasion, “Eat, Pray, Love” tries to win us over — does it succeed? And then it’s our turn to go a-wooing, as we attempt to win back the love of the Czech Republic.


Neal Katyal

Paul and Patricia Saunders Professor of National Security Law, Georgetown University Law Center

Former Acting Solicitor General of the United States

Partner at Hogan Lovells


Michael Kelly


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